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IWCA ORG INFORMATION ON SCRATCH GLASS PROMBLEMS
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IWCA Seminar on Fabricating Debris Awareness - 2006
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Dan Fields, a highly regarded expert on the subject, presented
a seminar called "Fabricating Debris Awareness" on Saturday, Feb. 18 at the 2006 IWCA Convention in Mesa, Arizona.
Purchase 2006 IWCA Fabricating Debris Awareness CD online Everyone with an interest in this issue needs to listen
to this recording. This is a turning point in the dialog between window cleaners and glass companies. Double Audio CD. |
IWCA Seminar on Glass Fabrication & Processes - 2005
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The day after a tour of the local Arch Aluminum & Glass tempering facility -
during their 2005 convention in Orlando - the IWCA recorded a very interesting discussion about how hard these fabricators
worked to produce better quality tempered glass for their customers.
During this discussion, these fabricators agreed that an ideal way to check for fabricating
debris was to use a razor during regular QC checks on glass exiting tempering ovens.
Click here for Gary Mauer's article about the tour & seminar
Window cleaners were bussed to the Arch plant one
day before the IWCA seminar. The editor of Glass Magazine - Nancy M. Davis - wrote an account of the discussion at the IWCA/Arch tour for the April 2005 issue. In that article, Max
Perilstein, the Vice President of marketing for Arch, and leader of GANA’s Building Envelope Contractors division said,
“We believe we're doing things the right way.” He advised window cleaners to “Investigate local glass fabricators.
Ask if they’re doing the things we’re doing here.” That article was removed from the Glass Magazine website
after only a few days. |
Articles by Daniel A. Fields - WindowGuru@aol.com
Fields Construction Services, Inc. 5715 South Front Road, Building B-1 Livermore, CA 94550 - Phone: 925-294-8183
| Scratched Glass Seminar |
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Outline of Scratched Glass Seminar presented by Dan Fields at the Window
Cleaning Network Picnic in Oconomowoc, Wisconsin, July 27, 2002. This
seminar covered the leading cause of glass scratching - defective tempered glass surfaces. "Scrapers don't scratch glass -
fabricating debris does." |
Construction Window Cleaning A Primer; By Daniel A Fields |
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The purpose of this article is to help enlighten general
contractors, window cleaners, and other responsible parties in the residential construction industry on how to identify some
of the numerous causes of scratched glass. This article discusses the responsibilities of the construction window cleaner,
other subcontractors and the general contractor, the major causes of scratched glass, and the possible solutions to this widespread
problem. |
Glass Quality By Daniel A Fields |
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An illustrated
essay on tempered glass quality - the origins of fabricating debris, and
what needs to be done about it. |
Article by Gary Mauer
| Scrapers & Fabricating Debris Issues - Revised 2/23/04 |
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Window cleaners: This article will help you and your
customers understand the problems presented by fabricating debris on some heat treated glass, and why you need to have a fabricating
debris damage liability waiver signed before you scrape tempered glass.
This update contains several clarifications, including the statement that "The incidence
of fabricating debris is greatly minimized when temperers adhere to all recommended maintenance procedures for washers, rollers
and other tempering equipment."
Print copies and show it to builders. Help them
realize why they should insist on quality tempered glass - that can be scraped - and why they need to sign your waiver.
Builders are encouraged to manage fabricating debris as a manufacturing defect
on some of the tempered glass they are getting, and address this issue with their suppliers. Work with them to assure that
the uncoated tempered glass you're getting can be successfully cleaned with a properly used scraper. If you can do that, you'll
have no more problems with tempered glass damage than you do with annealed.
This article may be reprinted and redistributed by anyone who wishes to. Photocopying
and fax distribution is discouraged - but only because color photos of glass defects are involved. I recommend printing
from the original PDF file, or emailing the file itself to interested parties. |
Article in the International Glass Review
| Partnering with the Glass Fabricating Industry |
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This 2002 International Glass Review article by the leading supplier of furnace rollers points out they offer "free seminars to customers focusing on roller
properties, cleaning and maintenance procedures, roller refurbishing and regrinding options and precautions, the effects of
the plant environment and fabricating practices on tempered glass."
They also offer laboratory analysis as a free service to their clients, to properly
identify "glass surface conditions or markings".
At one point, this article says, "Most often the conditions that appear on glass
surfaces during the heat treating process are related to foreign materials that have been mechanically impinged into the glass
or that has damage the glass as it passes over the rollers. "
An illustrated article from the 2001 International Glass Review entitled, The
dynamics of ceramic rollers Operating and maintenance practices to produce quality tempered glass; By Renald D Bartoe, is no longer available online from International
Glass Review - but back issues can be ordered.
This article also discusses issues related to tempered glass quality from the perspective
of the roller manufacturer, and advocates good housekeeping and good fabricating practices. At one point, this article
says, "Glass dust and debris deposited on the furnace rollers can be picked up by the glass." There are several color
photos. International Glass Review is a tri-annual review of glass production and manufacturing, published by Contract Communications Limited a subsidiary of
Euromoney Institutional Investor PLC, in London, England |
Articles in US Glass Magazine
4/98 Temper Temper Managing the Problems Inherent in Tempered Glass; By: Regina R. Johnson |
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This 1998 US Glass Magazine article says in part that "particles such as glass fines from the cutting edging process and handling smudges that are not
washed off the surface of glass before tempering will bake on to the surface, causing blemishes..... described throughout
the industry by various names, including "orange peel," "heat prickling," "seeds," "bubbles," or just plain "garbage" that
was not washed off prior to the glass entering the tempering furnace. During normal window cleaning after building construction,
the pimples can be scraped off and the dragged across the glass surface, causing scratches" |
6/99 Maximizing Ceramic Furnace Roll Performance By Renald D Bartoe, Frederick Caillaud, Dr. John Dodsworth and Jerry Osele |
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The authors of this 1999 US Glass Magazine article identify glass fines and other surface deposits
as defects. The article underlines the importance of plant cleanliness, roller & furnace cleanliness and maintenance,
dust control, and states that "Effective use of the glass washer is critical to every tempering operation. The glass
should be washed just prior to tempering... The glass washer must be operating properly with the detergents, brushes and rinse
water at the manufacturer's recommended settings. Maintenance of the glass washer is equally important to ensure the
glass is clean and without residue or debris that will be carried into the furnace... " |
Bulletins by GANA - (Glass Association of North America)
Proper Procedures for Cleaning Architectural Glass Products Glass Association of North America |
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This GANA bulletin is often interpreted as a "ban" on scrapers. GANA clearly does not condone or recommend scrapers, and scraping is not considered a "normal cleaning procedure" by GANA, This bulletin claims that "widespread" use of scrapers will "often" damage glass.
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Heat Treated Glass Surfaces are Different Glass Association of North America |
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This GANA bulletin refers to the presence of fabricating debris as a "surface condition" - agrees that fabricating debris may
be present on some tempered glass, and also states that scraping can result in damage, "if any microscopic particles have
adhered to the surface".
It does not, however, address the variable presence of fabricating debris. On most
tempered glass, one side is fine, and the other side may or may not have fabricating debris. There is no explanation for why
that occurs, or what is being done about it.
The truth is that proper maintenance in the tempering plant yields a better tempered
glass surface - but this GANA bulletin doesn't mention that.
There is also the suggestion that ASTM standards allow the presence of fabricating
debris, which suggests that builders have no choice but to accept tempered glass. However, the ASTM C 1036 standard contains
disclaimers which seem to contradict that - and clearly, the ASTM standard does not actually state that detectable fabricating
debris is acceptable.
The conclusion suggests that "millions upon millions of square feet of glass have been
installed with trouble free performance", the inference being that this is because this glass has been cleaned and maintained
by professional window cleaners who didn't use scrapers.
A window cleaner's view would probably be that most of those "millions upon millions
of square feet of glass" have in fact felt a scraper - with no ill effect, because there was no fabricating debris problem.
Scraper use among window cleaners is widespread - nearly universal. Window cleaning scrapers are offered by every major
squeegee manufacturer, and sold by every major window cleaning supply house. |
6 second audio clip - recorded by Gary Mauer
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by running a scraper lightly over the surface.
Listen to MP3 file Listen to .WAV file (much larger file - slightly better quality)
This recording will give you an indication
of what to listen for. A microphone was attached to a scraper..... the scraper was placed on a piece of tempered
glass, pushed a short way, then lifted and placed on a nearby piece of tempered glass which was loaded with fabricating debris
and pushed again - lightly, so as not to scratch the glass.
The smooth surface that you hear first would have been the top side when that particular
piece of glass was tempered, and the rough surface you hear next was the bottom - the side that was touching rollers when
that particular piece of glass passed through the tempering oven.
The tinkling sound you hear is little glass fines and other fabricating debris. This
is the "tinkle test".... If you've never heard this before, you'll be impressed - or maybe you'll think we faked
it.
If you hear this sound, you cannot apply pressure with a scraper, because if you do, some of this fabricating debris will
become trapped under the scraper and scratch the glass.
Caution - Fabricating debris is variable, and this is a more extreme example.
It won't always sound this bad, and you cannot count on feeling or hearing this surface defect while you are working - particularly
on a messy construction site. |
Miscellaneous Links
Mohs Hardness scale at About.com This and other Mohs hardness scale web pages rank glass and blades at about the same hardness. Unfortunately, most Mohs hardness
scale web pages are written by and for gemologists. Those which do mention glass and blades are similar in hardness tend to
mention the fact only in passing.
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